{"id":53,"date":"2002-07-21T22:01:00","date_gmt":"2002-07-21T22:01:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/tashuk.wordpress.com\/2002\/07\/21\/53\/"},"modified":"2002-07-21T22:01:00","modified_gmt":"2002-07-21T22:01:00","slug":"53","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/alanlodge.co.uk\/blog\/archives\/53","title":{"rendered":""},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>An example of the Police monitoring of newsgroups, looking for the next party<\/b><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/groups.google.com\/groups?hl=en&amp;th=c0fa15e9a092f03e,13&amp;seekm=33679180.385A@dircon.co.uk#link1\">http:\/\/groups.google.com\/groups?hl=en&amp;th=c0fa15e9a092f03e,13&amp;seekm=33679180.385A@dircon.co.uk#link1<\/a><\/p>\n<p>this is some of what was talked about &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>From: North Wales Police (ae368@dial.pipex.com)<br \/>\n<br \/>Subject: Re: Calling all Free Party people of Wales! DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN THE PARTY STARTS?<br \/>\n<br \/>Newsgroups: uk.music.rave<br \/>\n<br \/>Date: 1997\/05\/02 <\/p>\n<p>The North Wales Police are monitoring your activities and we will take action to prevent your event.<br \/>\n<br \/>http:\/\/dspace.dial.pipex.com\/nwp\/<br \/>\n<br \/>From: jameslenoel (jlenoel@ea.com)<br \/>\n<br \/>Subject: Re: Calling all Free Party people of Wales! DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN THE PARTY STARTS?<br \/>\n<br \/>Newsgroups: uk.music.rave<br \/>\n<br \/>Date: 1997\/05\/02 <\/p>\n<p>In article , North says&#8230;<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;The North Wales Police are monitoring your activities and we will take action<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;to prevent your event.<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt; http:\/\/dspace.dial.pipex.com\/nwp\/<\/p>\n<p>Nice website, though it is  let down by those low quality photos rather. You&#8217;ll find all kinds of skilled individuals able to produce a far more impressve site<br \/>\n<br \/>on this newsgroup. However, even though they are for the most part sucessful at what ever it is they choose to do they find themselves criminalised by<br \/>\n<br \/>ridiculous laws, the essence of which is contained in the CJA, an act passed even though your own bosses said it wouldn&#8217;t, couldn&#8217;t and shouldn&#8217;t be made to<br \/>\n<br \/>work.<br \/>\n<br \/>You have a problem, because for every party you bust (cracking heads- no thanks.) there will be another ten that go off completely peacefully, without<br \/>\n<br \/>molestation by those who are meant to protect and serve ALL the people of this great and diverse nation.  It is intersting to browse your website for there are a number of contradictions included therein that suggest a wilfull disregard for your own policy.  <\/p>\n<p>Example:<br \/>\n<br \/>One of the North Wales Police force&#8217;s aims is, and I quote:<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Recognising and accepting the manner in which our public wish to live their lives and adjusting our policing style and availability to meet their needs.&#8217;  <\/p>\n<p>You seem to be failing this aim pretty badly, though it needn&#8217;t be like that. Indeed, there are Chief Constables around the country who take a far more<br \/>\n<br \/>realistic and pragmatic view working with organisers of parties both &#8216;legal&#8217; and &#8216;illegal&#8217; to ensure the saftey of those citizens who attend. Perhaps you could<br \/>\n<br \/>take note of what they do, as a party that has the support, tacit or otherwise, of the local constabulary will be more likely to both safe and clean.<br \/>\n<br \/>Generally, permission is sought from landowners for these &#8216;celebrations of life&#8217; and allowing people to set up, put on and then, of course, clear up would surely<br \/>\n<br \/>make both yours and their lives more easy. I don&#8217;t know, you may even foster the kind of community relations that you speak of on your website.  <\/p>\n<p>Essentially, though, you cannot win, while &#8216;ravers&#8217; and &#8216;criminals&#8217; rise up through the ranks of this society and change it for the better, ill-judged<br \/>\n<br \/>policies or inflexible &#8216;dinosaurs&#8217; in the police force will become extinct. You owe it to yourselves, your families and your fellow countrymen and women to<br \/>\n<br \/>think about the ramifications of persecuting people who are, for the most part, law-abiding, useful members of a free-thinking and liberal society that we, the<br \/>\n<br \/>young and not-so-young are creating. A society based on mutual respect, peace and understanding (Hark, I hear you sniggering, but it is happening slowly but<br \/>\n<br \/>inexorably).<\/p>\n<p>Danny Richards  wrote in article<br \/>\n<br \/>&#8230;<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt; In article , North Wales Police<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;  writes<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt; &gt;The North Wales Police are monitoring your activities and we will take action<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt; &gt;to prevent your event.<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt; Is this for real or a wind up. <\/p>\n<p>It&#8217;s for real.  Can you believe it.  They came round to see me this<br \/>\n<br \/>evening!!!!  They thought that I was the &#8216;organiser&#8217;.  <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m freaked out..<\/p>\n<p>Oops.<\/p>\n<p>My name will be all muddy around here now if it gets out that it was me<br \/>\n<br \/>that leaked the venue.  Any chance of keeping it quiet.<\/p>\n<p>really deflated PLUR   \ud83d\ude41<\/p>\n<p>From: Mike Slocombe (mike@urban75.demon.co.uk)<br \/>\n<br \/>Subject: Re: Calling all Free Party people of Wales! DOES ANYONE KNOW WHEN THE PARTY STARTS?<br \/>\n<br \/>Newsgroups: uk.music.rave<br \/>\n<br \/>View this article only<br \/>\n<br \/>Date: 1997\/05\/03 <\/p>\n<p>In article , Phillip Ingle<br \/>\n<br \/> writes<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;It&#8217;s for real.  Can you believe it.  They came round to see me this<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;evening!!!!  They thought that I was the &#8216;organiser&#8217;.<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;I&#8217;m freaked out..<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;Oops.<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;My name will be all muddy around here now if it gets out that it was me<br \/>\n<br \/>&gt;that leaked the venue.  Any chance of keeping it quiet.<\/p>\n<p>Don&#8217;t let the batards grind you down \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<p>Mike<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>An example of the Police monitoring of newsgroups, looking for the next party http:\/\/groups.google.com\/groups?hl=en&amp;th=c0fa15e9a092f03e,13&amp;seekm=33679180.385A@dircon.co.uk#link1 this is some of what was talked about &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; From: North Wales Police (ae368@dial.pipex.com) Subject: Re: Calling all Free Party people of Wales! 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